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CONTINUATION:
Athenian Stranger:
The so-called decision of Rhadamanthus is
worthy of all admiration. He knew that the
men of his own time believed and had no doubt
that there were Gods, which was a reasonable
belief in those days, because most men were
the sons of Gods, and according to tradition
he was one himself. He appears to have thought
that he ought to commit judgment to no man,
but to the Gods only, and in this way suits
were simply and speedily decided by him.
For he made the two parties take an oath
respecting the points in dispute, and so
got rid of the matter speedily and safely.
But now that a certain portion of mankind
do not believe at all in the existence of
the Gods, and others imagine that they have
no care of us, and the opinion of most men,
and of the men, is that in return for small
sacrifice and a few flattering words they
will be their accomplices in purloining large
sums and save them from many terrible punishments,
the way of Rhadamanthus is no longer suited
to the needs of justice; for as the needs
of men about the Gods are changed, the laws
should also be changed;-in the granting of
suits a rational legislation ought to do
away with the oaths of the parties on either
side-he who obtains leave to bring an action
should write, down the charges, but should
not add an oath; and the defendant in like
manner should give his denial to the magistrates
in writing, and not swear; for it is a dreadful
thing to know, when many lawsuits are going
on in a state that almost half the people
who meet one another quite unconcernedly
at the public meals and in other companies
and relations of private life are perjured.
Let the law, then, be as follows:-A judge
who is about to give judgment shall take
an oath, and he who is choosing magistrates
for the state shall either vote on oath or
with a voting tablet which he brings from
a temple; so too the judge of dances and
of all music, and the superintendents and
umpires of gymnastic and equestrian contests,
and any matters in which, as far as men can
judge, there is nothing to be gained by a
false oath; but all cases in which a denial
confirmed by an oath clearly results in a
great advantage to the taker of the oath,
shall be decided without the oath of the
parties to the suit, and the presiding judges
shall not permit either of them. to use an
oath for the sake of persuading, nor to call
down curses on himself and his race, nor
to use unseemly supplications or womanish
laments. But they shall ever be teaching
and learning what is just in auspicious words;
and he who does otherwise shall be supposed
to speak beside the point, and the judges
shall again bring him back to the question
at issue.
On the other hand, strangers in their dealings
with strangers shall as at present have power
to give and receive oaths, for they will
not often grow old in the city or leave a
fry of young ones like themselves to be the
sons and heirs of the land. As to the initiation
of private suits, let the manner of deciding
causes between all citizens be the same as
in cases in which any freeman is disobedient
to the state in minor matters, of which the
penalty is not stripes, imprisonment, or
death. But as regards attendance at choruses
or processions or other shows, and as regards
public services, whether the celebration
of sacrifice in peace, or the payment of
contributions in war-in all these cases,
first comes the necessity of providing remedy
for the loss; and by those who will not obey,
there shall be security given to the officers
whom the city and the law empower to exact
the sum due; and if they forfeit their security,
let the goods which they have pledged be,
and the money given to the city; but if they
ought to pay a larger sum, the several magistrates
shall impose upon the disobedient a suitable
penalty, and bring them before the court,
until they are willing to do what they are
ordered. Now a state which makes money from
the cultivation of the soil only, and has
no foreign trade, must consider what it will
do about the emigration of its own people
to other countries, and the reception of
strangers from elsewhere. About these matters
the legislator has to consider, and he will
begin by trying to persuade men as far as
he can.
The intercourse of cities with one another
is apt to create a confusion of manners;
strangers, are always suggesting novelties
to strangers. When states are well governed
by good laws the mixture causes the greatest
possible injury; but seeing that most cities
are the reverse of well-ordered, the confusion
which arises in them from the reception of
strangers, and from the citizens themselves
rushing off into other cities, when any one
either young or old desires to travel anywhere
abroad at whatever time, is of no consequence.
On the other hand, the refusal of states
to receive others, and for their own citizens
never to go to other places, is an utter
impossibility, and to the rest of the world
is likely to appear ruthless and uncivilized;
it is a practise adopted by people who use
harsh words, such as xenelasia or banishment
of strangers, and who have harsh and morose
ways, as men think.
And to be thought or not to be thought well
of by the rest of the world is no light matter;
for the many are not so far wrong in their
judgment of who are bad and who are good,
as they are removed from the nature of virtue
in themselves. Even bad men have a divine
instinct which guesses rightly, and very
many who are utterly depraved form correct
notions and judgments of the differences
between the good and bad. And the generality
of cities are quite right in exhorting us
to value a good reputation in the world,
for there is no truth greater and more important
than this-that he who is really good (I am
speaking of the man who would be perfect)
seeks for reputation with, but not without,
the reality of goodness. And our Cretan colony
ought also to acquire the fairest and noblest
reputation for virtue from other men; and
there is every reason to expect that, if
the reality answers to the idea, she will
before of the few well-ordered cities which
the sun and the other Gods behold.
Wherefore, in the matter of journeys to other
countries and the reception of strangers,
we enact as follows:-In the first place,
let no one be allowed to go anywhere at all
into a foreign country who is less than forty
years of age; and no one shall go in a private
capacity, but only in some public one, as
a herald, or on an embassy; or on a sacred
mission. Going abroad on an expedition or
in war, not to be included among travels
of the class authorized by the state.
To Apollo at Delphi and to Zeus at Olympia
and to Nemea and to the Isthmus,-citizens
should be sent to take part in the sacrifices
and games there dedicated to the Gods; and
they should send as many as possible, and
the best and fairest that can be found, and
they will make the city renowned at holy
meetings in time of peace, procuring a glory
which shall be the converse of that which
is gained in war; and when they come home
they shall teach the young that the institutions
of other states are inferior to their own.
And they shall send spectators of another
sort, if they have the consent of the guardians,
being such citizens as desire to look a little
more at leisure at the doings of other men;
and these no law shall hinder. For a city
which has no experience of good and bad men
or intercourse with them, can never be thoroughly,
and perfectly civilized, nor, again, can
the citizens of a city properly observe the
laws by habit only, and without an intelligent
understanding of them. And there always are
in the world a few inspired men whose acquaintance
is beyond price, and who spring up quite
as much in ill-ordered as in well-ordered
cities.
These are they whom the citizens of a well
ordered city should be ever seeking out,
going forth over sea and over land to find
him who is incorruptible-that he may establish
more firmly institutions in his own state
which are good already; and amend what is
deficient; for without this examination and
enquiry a city will never continue perfect
any more than if the examination is ill-conducted.
Cleinias. How can we have an examination
and also a good one? Athenian Stranger:
. In this way: In the first place, our spectator
shall be of not less than fifty years of
age; he must be a man of reputation, especially
in war, if he is to exhibit to other cities
a model of the guardians of the law, but
when he is more than sixty years of age he
shall no longer continue in his office of
spectator, And when he has carried on his
inspection during as many out of the ten
years of his office as he pleases, on his
return home let him go to the assembly of
those who review the laws.
This shall be a mixed body of young and old
men, who shall be required to meet daily
between the hour of dawn and the rising of
the sun. They shall consist, in the first
place, of the priests who have obtained the
rewards of virtue; and in the second place,
of guardians of the law, the ten eldest being
chosen; the general superintendent of education
shall also be member, as well the last appointed
as those who have been released from the
office; and each of them shall take with
him as his companion young man, whomsoever
he chooses, between the ages of thirty and
forty.
These shall be always holding conversation
and discourse about the laws of their own
city or about any specially good ones which
they may hear to be existing elsewhere; also
about kinds of knowledge which may appear
to be of use and will throw light upon the
examination, or of which the want will make
the subject of laws dark and uncertain to
them. Any knowledge of this sort which the
elders approve, the younger men shall learn
with all diligence; and if any one of those
who have been invited appear to be unworthy,
the whole assembly shall blame him who invited
him. The rest of the city shall watch over
those among the young men who distinguish
themselves, having an eye upon them, and
especially honouring them if they succeed,
but dishonouring them above the rest if they
turn out to be inferior. This is the assembly
to which he who has visited the institutions
of other men, on his return home shall straightway
go, and if he have discovered any one who
has anything to say about the enactment of
laws or education or nurture, or if he have
himself made any observations, let him communicate
his discoveries to the whole assembly.
And if he be seen to have come home neither
better nor worse, let him be praised at any
rate for his enthusiasm; and if he be much
better, let him be praised so much the more;
and not only while he lives but after his
death let the assembly honour him with fitting
honours. But if on his return home he appear
to have been corrupted, pretending to be
wise when he is not, let him hold no communication
with any one, whether young or old; and if
he will hearken to the rulers, then he shall
be permitted to live as a private individual;
but if he will not, let him die, if he be
convicted in a court of law of interfering
about education and the laws, And if he deserve
to be indicted, and none of the magistrates
indict him, let that be counted as a disgrace
to them when the rewards of virtue are decided.
Let such be the character of the person who
goes abroad, and let him go abroad under
these conditions. In the next place, the
stranger who comes from abroad should be
received in a friendly spirit. Now there
are four kinds of strangers, of whom we must
make some mention-the first is he who comes
and stays throughout the summer; this class
are like birds of passage, taking wing in
pursuit of commerce, and flying over the
sea to other cities, while the season lasts;
he shall be received in market-places and
harbours and public buildings, near the city
but outside, by those magistrates who are
appointed to superintend these matters; and
they shall take care that a stranger, whoever
he be, duly receives justice; but he shall
not be allowed to make any innovation.
They shall hold the intercourse with him
which is necessary, and this shall be as
little as possible. The second kind is just
a spectator who comes to see with his eyes
and hear with his ears the festivals of the
Muses; such ought to have entertainment provided
them at the temples by hospitable persons,
and the priests and ministers of the temples
should see and attend to them. But they should
not remain more than a reasonable time; let
them see and hear that for the sake of which
they came, and then go away, neither having
suffered nor done any harm. The priests shall
be their judges, if any of them receive or
do any wrong up to the sum of fifty drachmae,
but if any greater charge be brought, in
such cases the suit shall come before the
wardens of the agora.
The third kind of stranger is he who comes
on some public business from another land,
and is to be received with public honours.
He is to be received only by the generals
and commanders of horse and foot, and the
host by whom he is entertained, in conjunction
with the Prytanes, shall have the sole charge
of what concerns him. There is a fourth dass
of persons answering to our spectators, who
come from another land to look at ours. In
the first place, such visits will be rare,
and the visitor should be at least fifty
years of age; he may possibly be wanting
to see something that is rich and rare in
other states, or himself to show something
in like manner to another city. Let such
an one, then, go unbidden to the doors of
the wise and rich, being one of them himself:
let him go, for example, to the house of
the superintendent of education, confident
that he is a fitting guest of such a host,
or let him go to the house of some of those
who have gained the prize of virtue and hold
discourse with them, both learning from them,
and also teaching them; and when he has seen
and heard all, he shall depart, as a friend
taking leave of friends, and be honoured
by them with gifts and suitable tributes
of respect.
These are the customs, according to which
our city should receive all strangers of
either sex who come from other countries,
and should send forth her own citizens, showing
respect to Zeus, the God of hospitality,
not forbidding strangers at meals and sacrifices,
as is the manner which prevails among the
children of the Nile, nor driving them away
by savage proclamations.
When a man becomes surety, let him give the
security in a distinct form, acknowledging
the whole transaction in a written document,
and in the presence of not less than three
witnesses if the sum be under a thousand
drachmae, and of not less than five witnesses
if the sum be above a thousand drachmae.
The agent of a dishonest or untrustworthy
seller shall himself be responsible; both
the agent and the principal shall be equally
liable. If a person wishes to find anything
in the house of another, he shall enter naked,
or wearing only a short tunic and without
a girdle, having first taken an oath by the
customary Gods that he expects to find it
there; he shall then make his search, and
the other shall throw open his house and
allow him to search things both sealed and
unsealed.
And if a person will not allow the searcher
to make his search, he who is prevented shall
go to law with him, estimating the value
of the goods after which he is searching,
and if the other be convicted he shall pay
twice the value of the article. If the master
be absent from home, the dwellers in the
house shall let him search the unsealed property,
and on the sealed property the searcher shall
set another seal, and shall appoint any one
whom he likes to guard them during five days;
and if the master of the house be absent
during a longer time, he shall take with
him the wardens of the city, and so make
his search, opening the sealed property as
well as the unsealed, and then, together
with the members of the family and the wardens
of the city, he shall seal them up again
as they were before. There shall be a limit
of time in the case of disputed things, and
he who has had possession of them during
a certain time shall no longer be liable
to be disturbed.
As to houses and lands there can be no dispute
in this state of ours; but if a man has any
other possessions which he has used and openly
shown in the city and in the agora and in
the temples, and no one has put in a claim
to them, and some one says that he was looking
for them during this time, and the possessor
is proved to have made no concealment, if
they have continued for a year, the one having
the goods and the other looking for them,
the claim of the seeker shall not be allowed
after the expiration of the year; or if he
does not use or show the lost property in
the market or in the city, but only in the
country, and no one offers himself as the
owner during five years, at the expiration
of the five years the claim shall be barred
for ever after; or if he uses them in the
city but within the house, then the appointed
time of claiming the goods shall be three
years, or ten years if he has them in the
country in private. And if he has them in
another land, there shall be no limit of
time or prescription, but whenever the owner
finds them he may claim them. If any one
prevents another by force from being present
at a trial, whether a principal party or
his witnesses; if the person prevented be
a slave, whether his own or belonging to
another, the suit shall be incomplete and
invalid; but if he who is prevented be a
freeman, besides the suit being incomplete,
the other who has prevented him shall be
imprisoned for a year, and shall be prosecuted
for kidnapping by any one who pleases.
And if any one hinders by force a rival competitor
in gymnastic or music, or any other sort
of contest, from being present at the contest,
let him who has a mind inform the presiding
judges, and they shall liberate him who is
desirous of competing; and if they are not
able, and he who hinders the other from competing
wins the prize, then they shall give the
prize of victory to him who is prevented,
and inscribe him as the conqueror in any
temples which he pleases; and he who hinders
the other shall not be permitted to make
any offering or inscription having reference
to that contest, and in any case he shall
be liable for damages, whether he be defeated
or whether he conquer. If any one knowingly
receives anything which has been stolen,
he shall undergo the same punishment as the
thief, and if a man receives an exile he
shall be punished with death. Every man should
regard the friend and enemy of the state
as his own friend and enemy; and if any one
makes peace or war with another on his own
account, and without the authority of the
state, he, like the receiver of the exile,
shall undergo the penalty of death.
And if any fraction of the City declare war
or peace against any, the generals shall
indict the authors of this proceeding, and
if they are convicted death shall be the
penalty. Those who serve their country ought
to serve without receiving gifts, and there
ought to be no excusing or approving the
saying, "Men should receive gifts as
the reward of good, but not of evil deeds";
for to know which we are doing, and to stand
fast by our knowledge, is no easy matter.
The safest course is to obey the law which
says, "Do no service for a bribe,"
and let him who disobeys, if he be convicted,
simply die. With a view to taxation, for
various reasons, every man ought to have
had his property valued: and the tribesmen
should likewise bring a register of the yearly
produce to the wardens of the country, that
in this way there may be two valuations;
and the public officers may use annuary whichever
on consideration they deem the best, whether
they prefer to take a certain portion of
the whole value, or of the annual revenue,
after subtracting what is paid to the common
tables.
Touching offerings to the Gods, a moderate
man should observe moderation in what he
offers. Now the land and the hearth of the
house of all men is sacred to all Gods; wherefore
let no man dedicate them a second time to
the Gods. Gold and silver, whether possessed
by private persons or in temples, are in
other cities provocative of envy, and ivory,
the product of a dead body, is not a proper
offering; brass and iron, again, are instruments
of war; but of wood let a man bring what
offerings he likes, provided it be a single
block, and in like manner of stone, to the
public temples; of woven work let him not
offer more than one woman can execute in
a month. White is a colour suitable to the
Gods, especially in woven works, but dyes
should only be used for the adornments of
war. The most divine of gifts are birds and
images, and they should be such as one painter
can execute in a single day. And let all
other offerings follow a similar rule. Now
that the whole city has been divided into
parts of which the nature and number have
been described, and laws have been given
about all the most important contracts as
far as this was possible, the next thing
will be to have justice done.
The first of the courts shall consist of
elected judges, who shall be chosen by the
plaintiff and the defendant in common: these
shall be called arbiters rather than judges.
And in the second court there shall be judges
of the villages and tribes corresponding
to the twelvefold division of the land, and
before these the litigants shall go to contend
for greater damages, if the suit be not decided
before the first judges; the defendant, if
he be defeated the second time, shall pay
a fifth more than the damages mentioned in
the indictment; and if he find fault with
his judges and would try a third time, let
him carry the suit before the select judges,
and if he be again defeated, let him pay
the whole of the damages and half as much
again.
And the plaintiff, if when defeated before
the first judges he persist in going on to
the second, shall if he wins receive in addition
to the damages a fifth part more, and if
defeated he shall pay a like sum; but if
he is not satisfied with the previous decision,
and will insist on proceeding to a third
court, then if he win he shall receive from
the defendant the amount of the damages and,
as I said before, half as much again, and
the plaintiff, if he lose, shall pay half
of the damages claimed, Now the assignment
by lot of judges to courts and the completion
of the number of them, and the appointment
of servants to the different magistrates,
and the times at which the several causes
should be heard, and the votings and delays,
and all the things that necessarily concern
suits, and the order of causes, and the time
in which answers have to be put in and parties
are to appear-of these and other things akin
to these we have indeed already spoken, but
there is no harm in repeating what is right
twice or thrice:-All lesser and easier matters
which the elder legislator has omitted may
be supplied by the younger one. Private courts
will be sufficiently regulated in this way,
and the public and state courts, and those
which the magistrates must use in the administration
of their several offices, exist in many other
states.
Many very respectable institutions of this
sort have been framed by good men, and from
them the guardians of the law may by reflection
derive what is necessary, for the order of
our new state, considering and correcting
them, and bringing them to the test of experience,
until every detail appears to be satisfactorily
determined; and then putting the final seal
upon them, and making them irreversible,
they shall use them for ever afterwards.
As to what relates to the silence of judges
and the abstinence from words of evil omen
and the reverse, and the different notions
of the just and good and honourable which
exist in our: own as compared with other
states, they have been partly mentioned already,
and another part of them will be mentioned
hereafter as we draw near the end.
To all these matters he who would be an equal
judge, shall justly look, and he shall possess
writings about them that he may learn them.
For of all kinds of knowledge the knowledge
of good laws has the greatest power of improving
the learner; otherwise there would be no
meaning the divine and admirable law possessing
a name akin to mind (nous, nomos). And of
all other words, such as the praises and
censures of individuals which occur in poetry
and also in prose, whether written down or
uttered in daily conversation, whether men
dispute about them in the spirit of contention
or weakly assent to them, as is often the
case-of all these the one sure test is the
writings of the legislator, which the righteous
judge ought to have in his mind as the antidote
of all other words, and thus make himself
and the city stand upright, procuring for
the good the continuance and increase of
justice, and for the bad, on the other hand,
a conversion from ignorance and intemperance,
and in general from all unrighteousness,
as far as their evil minds can be healed,
but to those whose web of life is in reality
finished, giving death, which is the only
remedy for souls in their condition, as I
may say truly again and again. And such judges
and chiefs of judges will be worthy of receiving
praise from the whole city.
When the suits of the year are completed
the following laws shall regulate their execution:-In
the first place, the judge shall assign to
the party who wins the suit the whole property
of him who loses, with the exception of mere
necessaries, and the assignment shall be
made through the herald immediately after
each decision in the hearing of the judges;
and when the month arrives following the
month in which the courts are sitting (unless
the gainer of the suit has been previously
satisfied), the court shall follow up the
case, and hand over to the winner the goods
of the loser; but if they find that he has
not the means of paying, and the sum deficient
is not less than a drachma, the insolvent
person shall not have any right of going
to law with any other man until he have satisfied
the debt of the winning party; but other
persons shall still have the right of bringing
suits against him. And if any one after he
is condemned refuses to acknowledge the authority
which condemned him, let the magistrates
who are thus deprived of their authority
bring him before the court of the guardians
of the law, and if he be cast, let him be
punished with death, as a subverter of the
whole state and of the laws. Thus a man is
born and brought up, and after this manner
he begets and brings up his own children,
and has his share of dealings with other
men, and suffers if he has done wrong to
any one, and receives satisfaction if he
has been wronged, and so at length in due
time he grows old under the protection of
the laws, and his end comes in the order
of nature.
Concerning the dead of either sex, the religious
ceremonies which may fittingly be performed,
whether appertaining to the Gods of the underworld
or of this, shall be decided by the interpreters
with absolute authority. Their sepulchres
are not to be in places which are fit for
cultivation, and there shall be no monuments
in such spots, either large or small, but
they shall occupy that part of the country
which is naturally adapted for receiving
and concealing the bodies of the dead with
as little hurt as possible to the living.
No man, living or dead, shall deprive the
living of the sustenance which the earth,
their foster-parent, is naturally inclined
to provide for them. And let not the mound
be piled higher than would be the work of
five men completed in five days; nor shall
the stone which is placed over the spot be
larger than would be sufficient to receive
the praises of the dead included in four
heroic lines.
Nor shall the laying out of the dead in the
house continue for a longer time than is
sufficient to distinguish between him who
is in a trance only and him who is really
dead, and speaking generally, the third day
after death will be a fair time for carrying
out the body to the sepulchre. Now we must
believe the legislator when he tells us that
the soul is in all respects superior to the
body, and that even in life what makes each
one us to be what we are is only the soul;
and that the body follows us about in the
likeness of each of us, and therefore, when
we are dead, the bodies of the dead are quite
rightly said to be our shades or images;
for the true and immortal being of each one
of us which is called the soul goes on her
way to other Gods, before them to give an
account-which is an inspiring hope to the
good, but very terrible to the bad, as the
laws of our fathers tell us; and they also
say that not much can be done in the way
of helping a man after he is dead.
But the living-he should be helped by all
his kindred, that while in life he may be
the holiest and justest of men, and after
death may have no great sins to be punished
in the world below. If this be true, a man
ought not to waste his substance under the
idea that all this lifeless mass of flesh
which is in process of burial is connected
with him; he should consider that the son,
or brother, or the beloved one, whoever he
may be, whom he thinks he is laying in the
earth, has gone away to complete and fulfil
his own destiny, and that his duty is rightly
to order the present, and to spend moderately
on the lifeless altar of the Gods below.
But the legislator does not intend moderation
to be take, in the sense of meanness. Let
the law, then, be as follows:-The expenditure
on the entire funeral of him who is of the
highest class shall not exceed five minae;
and for him who is of the second class, three
minae, and for him who is of the third class,
two minae, and for him, who is of the fourth
class, one mina, will be a fair limit of
expense. The guardians of the law ought to
take especial care of the different ages
of life, whether childhood, or manhood, or
any other age.
And at the end of all, let there be some
one guardian of the law presiding, who shall
be chosen by the friends of the deceased
to superintend, and let it be glory to him
to manage with fairness and moderation what
relates to the dead, and a discredit to him
if they are not well managed. Let the laying
out and other ceremonies be in accordance
with custom, but to the statesman who adopts
custom as his law we must give way in certain
particulars. It would be monstrous for example
that he should command any man to weep or
abstain from weeping over the dead; but he
may forbid cries of lamentation, and not
allow the voice of the mourner to be heard
outside the house; also, he may forbid the
bringing of the dead body into the open streets,
or the processions of mourners in the streets,
and may require that before daybreak they
should be outside the city.
Let these, then, be our laws relating to
such matters, and let him who obeys be free
from penalty; but he who disobeys even a
single guardian of the law shall be punished
by them all with a fitting penalty. Other
modes of burial, or again the denial of burial,
which is to be refused in the case of robbers
of temples and parricides and the like, have
been devised and are embodied in the preceding
laws, so that now our work of legislation
is pretty nearly at an end; but in all cases
the end does not consist in doing something
or acquiring something or establishing something-the
end will be attained and finally accomplished,
when we have provided for the perfect and
lasting continuance of our institutions until
then our creation is incomplete.
Cleinias:
That is very good Stranger; but I wish you
would tell me more clearly what you mean.
Athenian Stranger:
O Cleinias, many things of old time were
well said and sung; and the saying about
the Fates was one of them.
Cleinias
What is it?
Athenian Stranger:
The saying that Lachesis or the giver of
the lots is the first of them, and that Clotho
or the spinster is the second of them, and
that Atropos or the unchanging one is the
third of them; and that she is the preserver
of the things which we have spoken, and which
have been compared in a figure to things
woven by fire, they both (i. e., Atropos
and the fire) producing the quality of unchangeableness.
I am speaking of the things which in a state
and government give not only health and salvation
to the body, but law, or rather preservation
of the law, in the soul; and, if I am not
mistaken, this seems to be still wanting
in our laws: we have still to see how we
can implant in them this irreversible nature.
Cleinias:
It will be no small matter if we can only
discover how such a nature can be implanted
in anything.
Athenian Stranger:
:But it certainly can be; so much I clearly
see.
Cleinias:
Then let us not think of desisting until
we have imparted this quality to our laws;
for it is ridiculous, after a great deal
of labour has been spent, to place a thing
at last on an insecure foundation. Megillus.
I approve of your suggestion, and am quite
of the same mind with you.
Cleinias:
Very good: And now what, according to you,
is to be the salvation of our government
and of our laws, and how is it to be effected?
Athenian Stranger:
Were we not saying that there must be in
our city a council which was to be of this
sort:-The ten oldest guardians of the law,
and all those who have obtained prizes of
virtue, were to meet in the same assembly,
and the council was also to include those
who had visited foreign countries in the
hope of hearing something that might be of
use in the preservation of the laws, and
who, having come safely home, and having
been tested in these same matters, had proved
themselves to be worthy to take part in the
assembly;-each of the members was to select
some young man of not less than thirty years
of age, he himself judging in the, first
instance whether the young man was worthy
by nature and education, and then suggesting
him to the others, and if he seemed to them
also to be worthy they were to adopt him;
but if not, the decision at which they arrived
was to be kept a secret from the citizens
at large; and, more especially, from the
rejected candidate. The meeting of the council
was to be held early in the morning, when
everybody was most at leisure from all other
business, whether public or private-was not
something of this sort said by us before?
Cleinias:
True.
Athenian Stranger:
Then, returning to the council, I would say
further, that if we let it down to be the
anchor of the state, our city, having everything
which is suitable to her, will preserve all
that we wish to preserve.
Cleinias:
What do you mean?
Athenian Stranger:
Now is the time for me to speak the truth
in all earnestness.
Cleinias:
Well said, and I hope that you will fulfil
your intention.
Athenian Stranger:
Know, Cleinias, that everything, in all that
it does, has a natural saviour, as of an
animal the soul and the head are the chief
saviours.
Cleinias:
Once more, what do you mean?
Athenian Stranger:
The well-being of those two is obviously
the preservation of every living thing.
Cleinias:
How is that?
Athenian Stranger:
The soul, besides other things, contains
mind, and the head, besides other things,
contains sight and hearing; and the mind,
mingling with the noblest of the senses,
and becoming one with them, may be truly
called the salvation of all.
Cleinias:
Yes, Quite so.
Athenian Stranger:
Yes, indeed; but with what is that intellect
concerned which, mingling with the senses,
is the salvation of ships in storms as well
as in fair weather? In a ship, when the pilot
and the sailors unite their perceptions with
the piloting mind, do they not save both
themselves and their craft?
Cleinias:
Very true.
Athenian Stranger:
:We do not want many illustrations about
such matters:-What aim would the general
of an army, or what aim would a physician
propose to himself, if he were seeking to
attain salvation?
Cleinias:
Very good.
Athenian Stranger:
Does not the general aim at victory and superiority
in war, and do not the physician and his
assistants aim at producing health in the
body?
Cleinias:
Certainly.
Athenian Stranger:
And a physician who is ignorant about the
body, that is to say, who knows not that
which we just now called health, or a general
who knows not victory, or any others who
are ignorant of the particulars of the arts
which we mentioned, cannot be said to have
understanding about any of these matters.
Cleinias:
They cannot.
Athenian Stranger:
And what would you say of the state? If a
person proves to be ignorant of the aim to
which the statesman should look, ought he,
in the first place, to be called a ruler
at all; further, will he ever be able to
preserve that of which he does not even know
the aim?
Cleinias:
Impossible.
Athenian Stranger:
And therefore, if our settlement of the country
is to be perfect, we ought to have some institution,
which, as I was saying, will tell what is
the aim of the state, and will inform us
how we are to attain this, and what law or
what man will advise us to that end. Any
state which has no such institution is likely
to be devoid of mind and sense, and in all
her actions will proceed by mere chance.
Cleinias:
Very true.
Athenian Stranger:
In which, then, of the parts or institutions
of the state is any such guardian power to
be found? Can we say?
Cleinias:
I am not quite certain, Stranger; but I have
a suspicion that you are referring to the
assembly which you just now said was to meet
at night.
Athenian Stranger:
You understand me perfectly, Cleinias; and
we must assume, as the argument iniplies,
that this council possesses all virtue; and
the beginning of virtue is not to make mistakes
by guessing many things, but to look steadily
at one thing, and on this to fix all our
aims.
Cleinias:
Quite true.
Athenian Stranger:
Then now we shall see why there is nothing
wonderful in states going astray-the reason
is that their legislators have such different
aims; nor is there anything wonderful in
some laying down as their rule of justice,
that certain individuals should bear rule
in the state, whether they be good or bad,
and others that the citizens should be rich,
not caring whether they are the slaves of
other men or not. The tendency of others,
again, is towards freedom; and some legislate
with a view to two things at once-they want
to be at the same time free and the lords
of other states; but the wisest men, as they
deem themselves to be, look to all these
and similar aims, and there is no one of
them which they exclusively honour, and to
which they would have all things look.
Cleinias:
Then, Stranger, our former assertion will
hold, for we were saying that laws generally
should look to one thing only; and this,
as we admitted, was rightly said to be virtue.
Athenian Stranger:
Yes.
Cleinias:
And we said that virtue was of four kinds?
Athenian Stranger:
Quite true.
Cleinias:
And that mind was the leader of the four,
and that to her the three other virtues and
all other things ought to have regard?
Athenian Stranger:
You follow me capitally, Cleinias, and I
would ask you to follow me to the end, for
we ve already said that the mind of the pilot,
the mind of the physician and of the general
look to that one thing to which they ought
to look; and now we may turn to mind political,
of which, as of a human creature, we will
ask a question:-O wonderful being, and to
what are you looking? The physician is able
to tell his single aim in life, but you,
the superior, as you declare yourself to
be, of all intelligent beings, when you are
asked are not able to tell. Can you, Megillus,
and you, Cleinias, say distinctly what is
the aim of mind political, in return for
the many explanations of things which I have
given you?
Cleinias:
We cannot, Stranger.
Athenian Stranger:
:Well, but ought we not to desire to see
it, and to see where it is to be found?
Cleinias:
For example, where?
Athenian Stranger:
For example, we were saying that there are
four kinds of virtue, and as there are four
of them, each of them must be one.
Cleinias:
Certainly.
Athenian Stranger:
And further, all four of them we call one;
for we say that courage is virtue, and that
prudence is virtue, and the same of the two
others, as if they were in reality not many
but one, that is, virtue.
Cleinias:
Quite so.
Athenian Stranger:
:There is no difficulty in seeing in what
way the two differ from one another, and
have received two names, and so of the rest.
But there is more difficulty in explaining
why we call these two and the rest of them
by the single name of virtue.
Cleinias:
How do you mean?
Athenian Stranger:
I have no difficulty in explaining what I
mean. Let us distribute the subject questions
and answers.
Cleinias:
Once more, what do you mean?
Athenian Stranger:
Ask me what is that one thing which call
virtue, and then again speak of as two, one
part being courage and the other wisdom.
I will tell you how that occurs:-One of them
has to do with fear; in this the beasts also
participate, and quite young children-I mean
courage; for a courageous temper is a gift
of nature and not of reason. But without
reason there never has been, or is, or will
be a wise and understanding soul; it is of
a different nature.
Cleinias:
That is true.
Athenian Stranger:
I have now told you in what way the two are
different, and do you in return tell me in
what way they are one and the same. Suppose
that I ask you in what way the four are one,
and when you have answered me, you will have
a right to ask of me in return in what way
they are four; and then let us proceed to
enquire whether in the case of things which
have a name and also a definition to them,
true knowledge consists in knowing the name
only and not the definition. Can he who is
good for anything be ignorant of all this
without discredit where great and glorious
truths are concerned?
Cleinias:
I suppose not.
Athenian Stranger:
And is there anything greater to the legislator
and the guardian of the law, and to him who
thinks that he excels all other men in virtue,
and has won the palm of excellence, that
these very qualities of which we are now
speaking-courage, temperance, wisdom, justice?
Cleinias:
How can there be anything greater?
Athenian Stranger:
And ought not the interpreters, the teachers
the lawgivers, the guardians of the other
citizens, to excel the rest of mankind, and
perfectly to show him who desires to learn
and know or whose evil actions require to
be punished and reproved, what is the nature
of virtue and vice? Or shall some poet who
has found his way into the city, or some
chance person who pretends to be an instructor
of youth, show himself to be better than
him who has won the prize for every virtue?
And can we wonder that when the guardians
are not adequate in speech or action, and
have no adequate knowledge of virtue, the
city being unguarded should experience the
common fate of cities in our day?
Cleinias:
Wonder! no.
Athenian Stranger:
Well, then, must we do as we said? Or can
we give our guardians a more precise knowledge
of virtue in speech and action than the many
have? or is there any way in which our city
can be made to resemble the head and senses
of rational beings because possessing such
a guardian power?
Cleinias:
What, Stranger, is the drift of your comparison?
Athenian Stranger:
Do we not see that the city is the trunk,
and are not the younger guardians, who are
chosen for their natural gifts, placed in
the head of the state, having their souls
all full of eyes, with which they look about
the whole city? They keep watch and hand
over their perceptions to the memory, and
inform the elders of all that happens in
the city; and those whom we compared to the
mind, because they have many wise thoughts-that
is to say, the old men-take counsel and making
use of the younger men as their ministers,
and advising with them-in this way both together
truly preserve the whole state:-Shall this
or some other be the order of our state?
Are all our citizens to be equal in acquirements,
or shall there be special persons among them
who have received a more careful training
and education?
Cleinias:
That they should be equal, my; good, sir,
is impossible.
Athenian Stranger:
Then we ought to proceed to some more exact
training than any which has preceded.
Cleinias:
Certainly.
Athenian Stranger:
And must not that of which we are in need
be the one to which we were just now alluding?
Cleinias:
Very true.
Athenian Stranger:
Did we not say that the workman or guardian,
if he be perfect in every respect, ought
not only to be able to see the many aims,
but he should press onward to the one? this
he should know, and knowing, order all things
with a view to it.
Cleinias:
True.
Athenian Stranger:
And can any one have a more exact way of
considering or contemplating. anything, than
the being able to look at one idea gathered
from many different things?
Cleinias:
Perhaps not.
Athenian Stranger:
Not "Perhaps not," but "Certainly
not," my good sir, is the right answer.
There never has been a truer method than
this discovered by any man.
Cleinias:
I bow to your authority, Stranger; let us
proceed in the way which you propose.
Athenian Stranger:
Then, as would appear, we must compel the
guardians of our divine state to perceive,
in the first place, what that principle is
which is the same in all the four-the same,
as we affirm, in courage and in temperance,
and in justice and in prudence, and which,
being one, we call as we ought, by the single
name of virtue. To this, my friends, we will,
if you please, hold fast, and not let go
until we have sufficiently explained what
that is to which we are to look, whether
to be regarded as one, or as a whole, or
as both, or in whatever way. Are we likely
ever to be in a virtuous condition, if we
cannot tell whether virtue is many, or four,
or one? Certainly, if we take counsel among
ourselves, we shall in some way contrive
that this principle has a place amongst us;
but if you have made up your mind that we
should let the matter alone, we will.
Cleinias:
We must not, Stranger, by the God of strangers
I swear that we must not, for in our opinion
you speak most truly; but we should like
to know how you will accomplish your purpose.
Athenian Stranger:
Wait a little before you ask; and let us,
first of all, be quite agreed with one another
that the purpose has to be accomplished.
Cleinias:
Certainly, it ought to be, if it can be.
Ast.
Well, and about the good and the honourable,
are we to take the same view? Are our guardians
only to know that each of them is many, or,
also how and in what way they are one?
Cleinias:
They must consider also in what sense they
are one.
Athenian Stranger:
And are they to consider only, and to be
unable to set forth what they think?
Cleinias:
Certainly not; that would be the state of
a slave.
Athenian Stranger:
And may not the same be said of all good
things-that the true guardians of the laws
ought to know the truth about them, and to
be able to interpret them in words, and carry
them out in action, judging of what is and
what is not well, according to nature?
Cleinias:
Certainly.
Athenian Stranger:
Is not the knowledge of the Gods which we
have set forth with so much zeal one of the
noblest sorts of knowledge;-to know that
they are, and know how great is their power,
as far as in man lies? do indeed excuse the
mass of the citizens, who only follow the
voice of the laws, but we refuse to admit
as guardians any who do not labour to obtain
every possible evidence that there is respecting
the Gods; our city is forbidden and not allowed
to choose as a guardian of the law, or to
place in the select order of virtue, him
who is not an inspired man, and has not laboured
at these things.
Cleinias:
It is certainly just, as you say, that he
who is indolent about such matters or incapable
should be rejected, and that things honourable
should be put away from him.
Athenian Stranger:
Are we assured that there are two things
which lead men to believe in the Gods, as
we have already stated?
Cleinias:
What are they?
Athenian Stranger:
One is the argument about the soul, which
has been already mentioned-that it is the
eldest, and most divine of all things, to
which motion attaining generation gives perpetual
existence; the other was an argument from
the order of the motion of the stars, and
of all things under the dominion of the mind
which ordered the universe. If a man look
upon the world not lightly or ignorantly,
there was never any one so godless who did
not experience an effect opposite to that
which the many imagine. For they think that
those who handle these matters by the help
of astronomy, and the accompanying arts of
demonstration, may become godless, because
they see, as far as they can see, things
happening by necessity, and not by an intelligent
will accomplishing good.
Cleinias:
But what is the fact?
Athenian Stranger:
Just the opposite, as I said, of the opinion
which once prevailed among men, that the
sun and stars are without soul. Even in those
days men wondered about them, and that which
is now ascertained was then conjectured by
some who had a more exact knowledge of them-that
if they had been things without soul, and
had no mind, they could never have moved
with numerical exactness so wonderful; and
even at that time some ventured to hazard
the conjecture that mind was the orderer
of the universe. But these same persons again
mistaking the nature of the soul, which they
conceived to be younger and not older than
the body, once more overturned the world,
or rather, I should say, themselves; for
the bodies which they saw moving in heaven
all appeared to be full of stones, and earth,
and many other lifeless substances, and to
these they assigned the causes of all things.
Such studies gave rise to much atheism and
perplexity, and the poets took occasion to
be abusive-comparing the philosophers to
she-dogs uttering vain howlings, and talking
other nonsense of the same sort. But now,
as I said, the case is reversed.
Cleinias:
How so?
Athenian Stranger:
No man can be a true worshipper of the Gods
who does not know these two principles-that
the soul is the eldest of all things which
are born, and is immortal and rules over
all bodies; moreover, as I have now said
several times, he who has not contemplated
the mind of nature which is said to exist
in the stars, and gone through the previous
training, and seen the connection of music
with these things, and harmonized them all
with laws and institutions, is not able to
give a reason of such things as have a reason.
And he who is unable to acquire this in addition
to the ordinary virtues of a citizen, can
hardly be a good ruler of a whole state;
but he should be the subordinate of other
rulers. Wherefore, Cleinias and Megillus,
let us consider whether we may not add to
all the other laws which we have discussed
this further one-that the nocturnal assembly
of the magistrates, which has also shared
in the whole scheme of education proposed
by us, shall be a guard set according to
law for the salvation of the state. Shall
we propose this?
Cleinias:
Certainly, my good friend, we will if the
thing is in any degree possible.
Athenian Stranger:
Let us make a common effort to gain such
an object; for I too will gladly share in
the attempt. Of these matters I have had
much experience, and have often considered
them, and I dare say that I shall be able
to find others who will also help.
Cleinias:
I agree, Stranger, that we should proceed
along the road in which God is guiding us;
and how we can proceed rightly has now to
be investigated and explained.
Athenian Stranger:
O Megillus and Cleinias, about these matters
we cannot legislate further until the council
is constituted; when that is done, then we
will determine what authority they shall
have of their own; but the explanation of
how this is all to be ordered would only
be given rightly in a long discourse.
Cleinias:
What do you mean, and what new thing is this?
Athenian Stranger:
In the first place, a list would have to
be made out of those who by their ages and
studies and dispositions and habits are well
fitted for the duty of a guardian. In the
next place, it will not be easy for them
to discover themselves what they ought to
learn, or become the disciple of one who
has already made the discovery. Furthermore,
to write down the times at which, and during
which, they ought to receive the several
kinds of instruction, would be a vain thing;
for the learners themselves do not know what
is learned to advantage until the knowledge
which is the result of learning has found
a place in the soul of each. And so these
details, although they could not be truly
said to be secret, might be said to be incapable
of being stated beforehand, because when
stated they would have no meaning.
Cleinias:
What then are we to do, Stranger, under these
circumstances?
Athenian Stranger:
As the proverb says, the answer is no secret,
but open to all of us:-We must risk the whole
on the chance of throwing, as they say, thrice
six or thrice ace, and I am willing to share
with you the danger by stating and explaining
to you my views about education and nurture,
which is the question coming to the surface
again. The danger is not a slight or ordinary
one, and I would advise you, Cleinias, in
particular, to see to the matter; for if
you order rightly the city of the Magnetes,
or whatever name God may give it, you will
obtain the greatest glory; or at any rate
you will be thought the most courageous of
men in the estimation of posterity. Dear
companions, if this our divine assembly can
only be established, to them we will hand
over the city; none of the present company
of legislators, as I may call them, would
hesitate about that. And the state will be
perfected and become a waking reality, which
a little while ago we attempted to create
as a dream and in idea only, mingling together
reason and mind in one image, in the hope
that our citizens might be duly mingled and
rightly educated; and being educated, and
dwelling in the citadel of the land, might
become perfect guardians, such as we have
never seen in all our previous life, by reason
of the saving virtue which is in them.
Megillus: Dear Cleinias, after all that has
been said, either we must detain the Stranger,
and by supplications and in all manner of
ways make him share in the foundation of
the city, or we must give up the undertaking.
Cleinias:
Very true, Megillus; and you must join with
me in detaining him.
Megillus:
I will.
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