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The Necessity For Debate
(With Rene de Bakker)
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A problem I have been dealing with in Heidegger is that In BEING AND TIME, Heidegger takes a very radical view of dasein's authentic appropriation of tradition which, by necessity, completely takes it apart and puts it back together again as dasein actually knows it instead of the 'everyday' passive acceptance of a vague theme of what tradition is that never examines it rationally in detail or judge even if it fits together coherently. Gary C. Moore 2001


 

August 22nd 2000

Rene de Bakker wrote:

Hello Gary,

I'm reminded of the television interview with Heidegger, as reported in "Erinnerung an M. H." In a discussion before the interview the interviewer proposes his questions and H. makes some changes. The last question is: Can H., as the eighty-year-old philosopher he is, tell the people something about his understanding of death and loneliness? Heidegger, very sharply:

With this question you hit yourself in the face!

Long silence. Interviewer feels offended, it reminds him of Zen-tactics. Then Heidegger begins: Mein lieber Herr....

You cannot know about my loneliness, which is what your question suggests.

Dear Rene de Bakker,

Something just occurred to me which could use this whole letter as a basis for its exposition. What triggered it was Heidegger's response, what it just BEGINS TO TOUCH ON, JUST SLIGHTLY, JUST BARELY, that what struck me about it, appropriately or inappropriately right at first but may not have struck everyone the same way, was that the "you" in "You cannot know . . ." is not necessarily addressing just the interviewer, that the "you" is addressing everybody. Now I know in the circumstances in which it was spoken normally this would not be a justified conclusion. But taking into consideration Heidegger's LIFE HISTORY, and the world history he confronted sometimes abruptly and violently, and the same world history that confronted him much more abruptly and violently, a bit of it in logical reaction, would he not possibly really be addressing everyone in addressing with such an answer than one small and insignificant person such as the interviewer? And if so, what does it really point to?

This is where I might say we can get off into "being ridiculous" that I mentioned below. But in this case I mean "being ridiculous" deliberately, becoming intentionally absurd in the face of accepted human intercourse and accepted 'knowledge'. For when someone like Heidegger talks about "loneliness" I would propose that it is no longer loneliness as we normally accept it in our everyday lives that we immediately belittle, find ways to bypass, and--'ultimately'-- forget since any pretense of its being fundamental, existential, and enduring 'forever' that wells up in consciousness for just a moment, peaks, and dies out in the view that, in our everyday affairs, we not only have no lack of people around us, and very few of us completely lack at least some people to express concern for us, and even more, there are so many more people that rudely intrude their personal concerns into our lives. Being truly and ontologically lonely (not 'alone' but "lonely") in the midst of this huge crowd that suffocates each of us! Ridiculous.

Exactly. But this is what I groundlessly, and without any justification whatsoever, propose is what Heidegger is saying, i. e., "You cannot KNOW about MY loneliness . . .", that it is a matter of the "knowledge" as such held by the "you" of "my loneliness". In my 'thinking', that such a man has not only confronted the whole of present day thinking about anything and everything whatsoever, confronted and dissected all philosophical history, and essentially confronted all history itself and made it an accusation against the present moment's culmination, who has violated the ethical norms of every person on earth not simply politically but much more importantly philosophically -- in my ridiculous 'thinking' this would necessarily mean HIS loneliness is not only special, but is even ontologically unique as something even more threatening than the ultimate boredom he analyses in THE FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPTS OF METAPHYSICS. For one thing, in calling it 'loneliness' instead of the many other things we might call such a mood within us, this must necessarily be a total detachment that is not the goal taken up by a religious or philosophical hermit but is involuntary, something that has come DOWN on him (not 'alone' but "lonely").

As I said, I have nothing to back this up. This is the kind of 'metaphysics' that both Heidegger and Kant make fun of, that Heidegger says has the innate tendency to make concepts that should be formal intentions into 'objects' present-at-hand, and Kant, if I remember right from the "Dialectic" of the CRITIQUE OF PURE REASON, says goes off into fantasies like waking dreams. But then, they also both say it is something fundamental to the human mind. It is like trying to get into the noumena, the thing-in-itself which, by definition, is unknowable yet indicates something we know very well is extremely important to every aspect of our lives because, though it is indifferent or utterly wordless toward us, it is the real our intentions strive for and contend with and defeat us when "phenomena" reveal themselves PARTIALLY toward us while hiding most of what they are. Now, the way I have presented Heidegger's "loneliness" is extreme, an essentially negative description because its basic premise is based on, "You cannot KNOW about MY loneliness".

Now that I have already gone beyond all just bounds of properly defined thought, there is no point now in refraining from discussing two other philosophers that, I say, and, of course, deliberately with no justification whatsoever, also 'attained' this philosophic plateau --or rather, like Heidegger (not 'alone' but "lonely") were trapped deep within their own situations they created themselves in the virtuous search for noble 'philosophical truth'. These other two philosophers are Holderlin and Nietzsche. Now, I have not kept up with the most recent theories of the physiological causes of their insanity. It seems sufficient to me that the contradictory symptoms, the total lack of medical evidence, the purposive USE of the image of their insanity in the eyes of others to threaten, bully, and play with them (this was also observed in Nijinsky) which is actually typical of the average supposed victim of insanity but which would seem to me to indicate something fundamentally flawed with the very notion of insanity as a sickness, especially a physiologically based sickness, and the periods of so-called remission (on what basis is it considered a 'remission' as such? why could that period of so-called 'temporary' clarity not be something else altogether?). And, basically, their insanity was firstly and basically diagnosed by ordinary people who saw the obvious, that they were not acting in an everyday setting like ordinary people.

And then the 'professionals', the alienists, the mind-doctors, that dealt with them later, have you ever read about what they really were? To call them quacks by any standard would do them dignity. On the whole they were motivated by science, i. e., personal indifference, and were no better, and no better motivated, than 'real' sadists. The 'patient', if it rated even that much attention, was no more than an experimental animal. And as R. D. Liang has demonstrated in his whole career, and as I have personally observed (from the outside of course! not as a 'patient'! not yet anyway) they are only minimally better today.

And that is a SMALL 'minimal'. The virtue and aspect of psychiatric and psychological "professional indifference" by its very nature can hide every evil under the sun ESPECIALLY FROM THE PRACTITIONERS THEMSELVES! The other side of the coin is called "self confidence" since how can such a professional act without FEELING that they know what they are doing without question and know they are doing good things to people? Essentially in the maintenance of REAL practice you MUST MANUFACTURE that FEELING. And only the grossest of violations of method or ethics can come to your attention, and then only through the suggestion of another if not a downright screaming denunciation. And even then the shell is rarely cracked, and not for long, and right back to business as usual. Because people in general tend to forget or ignore that psychiatric 'health care' is primarily, and can in reality only exist and endure as, a business.

To be just, the bottom line is not always being paid. But on the other hand, and MOST important in 'psychiatric' care -- WHO IS DOING THE PAYING AND WHAT IS THEIR SOCIAL STATUS? This was obvious to me when a friend was institutionalized involuntarily for ninety days simply, purely, and totally on her parents' request. And though no psychiatrist was present at the court hearing, thet had absolutely no objection at 'taking her in'. She, luckily, took it all with a sense of humor. I, however, did not. Supposedly things have changed for better--but, as usual in such things, not because of internal reform but because the courts took their powers and their playthings away from them. This is also glaringly obvious in Freud's "The Case of Dora" where the daughter was "obviously" neurotic because the father said so, and secondly what the daughter said assaulted the social status and familial position of the father figure as such -- even though her explanation accorded with the facts in the only consistent way, and was the only rational explanation Freud ever heard. But she was 'treated' essentially because the father did not like the way she acted. i. e., disrespectful of parental authority.

Whether it was justified or not was not a factor in Freud's thinking! And specifically this case became the initial 'scientific' basis of Freudian psychiatry and the so-called theory of neurosis whereby a child's memories cease to be possible real events and can, of course, only be fantasies! In other words, this is the basis from which the judgement of insanity was pronounced against Holderlin and Nietzsche, i. e., first that it was the judgement of ordinary people they were not acting appropriately in their social surroundings, and second it was the judgement of 'professionals' that, especially in their day, were totally incompetent and corrupt. Now, since Heidegger himself has delineated situations where the truly authentic self can find themselves completely outside the social norms (most clearly brought out in PLATO'S SOPHIST where Heidegger is talking about Aristotle's 'wise man', and made even more clear by Doctor Hubert L. Dreyfus' paper "Could Anything be more Intelligible than Everyday Intelligibility?" which you can find at his sight on the web that is largely based on PLATO'S SOPHIST) in a situation where judgements are made completely, totally, ABSOLUTELY in the Hegelian sense, on their own (I might say "responsibility" but, if you understand the situation correctly, then you see also the authentic self is beyond "responsibility" in the usual sense of moral conscience), then here is the logical basis for what L. D. Liang presented as the logical reaction to one's personal history and circumstances that others regard, who merely know they aren't acting right, as "mental illness".

Has anyone ever tried to relate Holderlin's and Nietzsche's personal situations, even as far as their limited knowledge went, to what was called their "mental illness"? To me it seems if one has lost absolutely everything of value and all hope for the future without any reasonable expectation of change for the better whatsoever, such a person might become a little disengaged from normal social practice as seen in the eyes of the horse drover or the morning clerk going to work or the flower lady selling flowers or the customs duty clerk at the border. And what possible help to a person truly in such an ABSOLUTE situation could any 'professional' provide different than the local drug pusher or the wine and spirits salesman? If one has come to 'have' and 'expect' nothing whatsoever, and this is a long considered, rational judgement of real facts, what can a psychiatrist do? Other than push drugs of course? Then it would be proper for me to see if that conclusion truly fit Holderlin's and Nietzsche's situations. Now, Holderlin's situation briefly is a hopeless love affair and almost total lack of public recognition (tell me if I am wrong on the second part). As to public recognition, he received some kind attention from Schiller that backfired when Schiller tried to interest Goethe in his poetry.

As to the love affair, both realizing nothing could happen since she was married and divorce at that time for women was an extremely cruel joke, they agreed to break up. He left for southwest France, where the observers said he acted strangely. But was that because he might have had some unsolvable problem on his mind, or because he was German, or had the typical unconventionally of a poet? And then, while in an alien land, the love of his life dies. Now I know in this sophisticated age such things are silly and unimportant and one gets over them fast, very fast. But his age was not as sophisticated as ours is where we can give a proper valuation to such trivial things as love. And in his unsophisticated, simple-minded way, he had the illusion his life was bound to hers literally, and any helpful, modern process of self-denegration that we so pride ourselves in probably would never have occured to him. Now, throughout the time this was going on, he not only wrote poetry, but wrote essentially private philosophical treatises, only two of which he ever intended for publication, the introductions to his translations of Antigone and Oedipus Rex, and these were relatively late productions in this time period. He had evolved in his private ruminations, instead of the eliptical style most people use that is the equivalent of notes that skip the chain of thought in all its particulars and just hit the highlight, a style of all inclusive run on sentence that was later diagnosed as obviously schizophrenic. It is very hard to follow his line of thought, but it can be done, so that would mean, if the diagnosis is right, we have here a well worked out crazy philosophy.

I have tried myself with my incompetent skills to translate Holderlin's "Pindar Fragmente" because the existing translation seemed to have very little to do with Holderlin. It is with great difficulty only that one can break up one of his sentences into more easily understandible parts. Superficialy, from normal experience with run-on sentences, it would simply seem to be a matter of putting this complete thought here with a period and that complete thought there with a period. But Holderlin's 'thought' is more like the directly recorded flow of literal experience before it properly becomes divided into scientifically appropriate units. Each part of the long sentence was intertwined with the other part, reflecting the different verbs and the different subjects throughout so that any truncation seemed to totally destroy the movement of the unified whole. Though this was strange, and very difficult to deal with, could my experience be more like a savage confronted with a computer who proceeds to destroy it to kill the demon inside rather than the discovery of mental illness? The fact that Holderlin thinks in a different way than we do, is that sufficient to call it crazy? And to judge the actions of such a 'desperate' man as crazy, first of all even to call him desperate gives him a stretched and lean grasp on hope. But Holderlin thought he had no grasp on any hope whatever and would never again have any. It would seem at that point in one's life social norms would be rather unimportant no matter who it offended. And as to Nietzsche, 'late' in his 'conscious' life, amid a dwendling circle of friends such as the simple-minded but devoted Peter Gast or the stolid but decent Franz Overbeck, he finally received some recognition!

A Danish literary critic, Georg Brandes, liked his books and was lecturing on them in Copenhagen while in Germany his books rarely received even book notices of their publication. Except of course THE BIRTH OF TRAGEDY which was denounced as a scholarly farce. His circle of friends and relatives was dwendling because he refused to be exploited any longer which, of course, left the tried and true Gast and Overbeck and a few others occasionally. He practiced to a fine point that "Honesty was the only virtue". In his personal life he was a person of extremely restrained privacy, quiet dignity, and great politeness even to the rude. However, in his later years, even those he wrote private letters to were not really close and intimate friends that were intellectual equals, even Overbeck who could take his thinking and change it into something of interesting but essentially practical use in his unchristian protestant theology.

And Gast, though devoted, was hopeless. And the most gastly, yet closest person of all, his sister, was completely cut off by Nietzsche from communicating to him because of exploitiveness, her antisemitism, and her general character qualities, i. e., lying Yes, he was rather in an extremity of loneliness. And being almost entirely cut of from serious human intercourse which was even more extreme than not receiving any serious attention in Germany in whose language he had written much of the greatest prose ever put on paper. But one must remember a few Danes loved him. However, in Germany Kierkegaard was more popular than he was. Would this not approach in such a philosopher an ontological degree of loneliness, a total disengagement from humanity and the 'world'?

Gary. C. Moore.

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